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Stuffysays's avatar

A cousin of mine collapsed and died instantly of a heart attack in about April 2020. He was 49 years old and apparently knew he had an inherited potential heart problem which he chose to ignore. The paramedics said he was dead before he hit the ground but, because he died in the high street, a postmortem was ordered. Which was when it was confirmed to me that the authorities intended making Covid into a biblical plague. We were told his corpse would be tested for covid and, if found to be positive, a covid death would be registered and no further examination would occur. We weren't allowed to see the body at any time and only six people were allowed to attend the funeral. The corpse was suffering from covid so he officially died of the heart attack which had physically killed him.

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Bryan's avatar

and you can probably apply the same math to 'lives saved' by the jabs. Hint: it's probably closer to zero than the 20+ mill often touted.

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Raphael Lataster (BPharm, PhD)'s avatar

Can you wait just a few more weeks for a big critique by a certain someone appearing in a medical journal?

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Chris's avatar

Ref Rancourt’s study, the 17+ million from the “covid aura state of affairs”.

Similar numbers, just change cause effect.

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Baya Lazz's avatar

Mechanism is important. The mechanism of saving lives. There is no evidence of a virus existing and no plausible explanation how lives could be saved with a "vaccine". There is however the dangerous treatments for 'covid' and if a 'vaccine' could prevent those treatments then there is a mechanism of averting poisoning with sedatives. It depends then. If someone wants to avoid allopathy then being 'unvaccinated' could have benefits. If someone wants to use allopathy then being 'unvaccinated' could have dangers.

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Fred's avatar

In Greece, almost half were falsely attributed to Covid. I suspect that it is even worse in the USA because hospitals were paid a bonus for “Covid deaths” (along with C dx, vents and Remdesivir).

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Terry Anderson's avatar

Was it any worse than the 2019 flu?

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Graham Vincent's avatar

It could soon be concluded in Belgium that, if you went up a ladder, sneezed and fell to your death, it was a Covid death. Everyone who died during the pandemic died of Covid, because they died during the pandemic. I do wonder how many died from injecting bleach, however.

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Raphael Lataster (BPharm, PhD)'s avatar

I wonder what the stats would look like if we treated jab deaths in the same way. Died from a car accident within 2 months of taking the jab? Clear 'with jab' death. Or should it be within 2 years of the last jab since we can still find the toxins in the body months and years later?

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Fred's avatar

Sadly, I fear even longer.

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Raphael Lataster (BPharm, PhD)'s avatar

Virtually guaranteed. 2 years... so far. Unless there is some convincing evidence to the contrary I am assuming there is no off switch.

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Graham Vincent's avatar

We are assailed from all sides by holistic approaches. Considering all the angles, and seeing the big picture. Until we're not. Take UPF additives, which can add up to a pretty noxious mixture all told. Each is benign, and it is deemed to stay that way, even in combination, until food emulsifiers end up emulsifying you and giving you colitis. Or cigarettes, whose tar content is graciously lowered by makers, whilst the nicotine - which gets you hooked - remains at high levels. We have enough problem with proximate causes to even consider ultimate causes: the ultimate cause of death is being born.

As you well know, Raphael, the single biggest factor that hinders extension of the field of enquiry from a proximate cause to an ultimate cause is the lack of any known suspicion that the two might conceivably differ.

You know how they figured out that grasshoppers hear through their legs? They took a grasshopper and placed a twanged tuning fork next to it, and the creature obligingly hopped away. Clearly an aversion to B flat. But, when the scientists removed the grasshopper's legs and repeated the experiment, the grasshopper was unperturbed by B flat and stayed put. The clue lies not in the cause and effect (or in what we think they are), but in the reason for the effect, which can be disingenuous, unknown, or ignored.

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Fred's avatar

Your “injecting bleach” comment refers to chlorine dioxide, and might have been a reasonable area to research. It’s not the criticism that you intend it to be, but then, supporting the narrative is what turned the pandemic response into a full fledged disaster. Trust in medicine and government may never recover, and deservedly so.

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Graham Vincent's avatar

It was something I'd got wind of being put forward by some politicians in the Americas. I didn't exactly voice criticism, I just wondered whether it had in fact been deemed the cause of anyone's death. It's an interesting case for Raphael to perhaps consider: if I inject a toxic "wonder drug" into myself in response to the prospective hazard posed by a disease, is my death then statistically due to the disease, to the quack remedy or to a mental aberration on my part?

However, your reply seems to suggest that Chlorine dioxide could have been a fruitful path of enquiry in the search for a remedy. If so, was it discounted? Because the alternative path pursued was quite expensive.

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Fred's avatar

Sorry, IDK if it was studied.

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